“being myself a smallish employer forced to hire greedy millionaire proofreaders…”
Excuse me, are you slanderously accusing me of being a millionaire, or are you *gasp* TWO TIMING ME with a millionaire proofreader? I can assure you that your millionaire proofreader’s ability to nit pick your typos will be severely constrained by the Scrooge McDuck style swimming through piles of money they are required to complete, which will distract them from the aforementioned nit picking 😑
You'd make a superior Chinese spy, JB. Hope you get the job!
As for work from home (WFH), I'm still confused as to why there's any issue with it as long as you submit your work on time and of an acceptable quality. How and where you completed it is completely irrelevant, surely? WFH has so many pluses: no commute, saving time and fossil fuels, not to mention the atmosphere; if you WFH you do not require costly office space or equipment; add in the work-life balance and flexibility for the employee, and literally everyone wins! The employer, the employee, and the environment all end up well in the black.
So, where does the obsession with getting people back into offices come from? My theory is three-fold:
1. managers fear there will be demand for fewer managers, so want people working in the office to protect their jobs;
2. extroverts prefer to be around people and can't deal with the isolation of their home offices;
3. office politics bullies crave their fix of making everyone miserable, but they can only really do it face-to-face in the office without leaving an electronic trail HR departments can feast on.
As someone who was fucked over many a time by office politics bullies, shysters, credit-stealers and other varieties of ghoul, I now refuse to take anything other than a WFH job. So there, ghouls!
Based on the apparent character of the sorts of people making back-to-the-office demands, I'd say that there's a significant chunk of (1) in it. Pair that with management who don't actually know what productivity in their field looks like, but reckon that they can spot effort if they see it.
There's probably also a chunk of concern about down-town office property and lunch-food dining establishment values.
The only practical benefit that I've seen is the socialization aspect: it seems to be more difficult to get a team to gel at the start of a project without a bunch of in-the-same-room time, and maintenance of company culture (whatever that is) seems harder. So I have some sympathy for "at least spend some days/week in a hot-desk, please" policies, or project-start off-site workshops or whatever. I did notice that over the Covid shutdowns we lost a few new hires who just never felt that they belonged, which was a shame. These observations almost certainly vary with the nature of the work.
Is there any reason (besides plumbing expenses) that at least a few of the floors of office blocks can't be converted to residential units? Would help with costs and keep the cafes etc in customers.
I quite like the idea of having a CBD holiday pad to occasionally indulge in decadent inner city entertainment. Of course I might have to take up a job as a greedy proofreader in order to have the millions to afford one.
Not 100% sure, but those expensive downtown office buildings have to keep paying rent, as well as expect managers to use technology well to do their job.
The can't micromanage: policing time away from your desk for toilet breaks, coffee breaks, and lunch.
This will deprive them of work satisfaction bcos they're narcissistic psychopaths, & will be reduced to getting their jollies by other sadistic means, like pulling the wings off flies, & abusing the staff at the cafe downstairs. Their coffee is too hot/cold, pannini hasn't got enough pastrami, where's the mayo!?
They also climb the corporate ladder by 0trampling on minions, & licking the anuses of senior management. More jollies to be deprived of! A supervisor no more, since all the fun has been taken away.
They will be bored, trapped at a computer most of the time, & their bored bosses will police their toilet breaks etc.
Oh, & the company woll lose the $$ in rent from that cafe downstairs when it goes tits up!
I quite like spending time in the office with the people in my team. However, the problem with open plan offices is that I am also subjected to the free-range nonsense of people in *other* teams. There are a lot of loud / constant / both talkers out there
"I assume it has to be the Chinese because nobody else can afford the asking price of your average former Australian politician" I think you overestimate the current market value for Australian politicians.
We've been having fun guessing who the spy is. So funny to see the lefties blaming the right and vice versa. Dutton knows I reckon because he wants them outed publicly. I tried AI. It knows but it won't say.
Possibly, but another reason for Dutton to be so vocal about wanting to out the perp is that it’s one of his own. So he creates some distance. Although the Labor Party guys have been very reluctant to even contemplate releasing it, so you’re probably right. I have some theories. Unfortunately, defamation laws prevent me from doing anything with them.
I confess some bafflement at the fate of the unnamed former MP. In a robust security environment, one might reasonably expect the miscreant to be discreetly disappeared, with a footnote in Hansard to advise the House of Reps of their sudden memory-holing.
Isn't this individual going to face any consequences besides being assessed as 'not being stupid enough to do it again'?
I understand that what this alleged traitor is intimated to have done has only recently become a crime, and his or her actions were not illegal at the time and therefore not actionable now. So, nothing to see here. Justice is served by innuendo. No doubt the name of the non-criminal will be disclosed in such a way that no one can be sued.
' Dear Mr Ping ' 🤣🤣🤣
I'm glad somebody else enjoyed that as much as me.
“being myself a smallish employer forced to hire greedy millionaire proofreaders…”
Excuse me, are you slanderously accusing me of being a millionaire, or are you *gasp* TWO TIMING ME with a millionaire proofreader? I can assure you that your millionaire proofreader’s ability to nit pick your typos will be severely constrained by the Scrooge McDuck style swimming through piles of money they are required to complete, which will distract them from the aforementioned nit picking 😑
Not slanderously, no.
Anyway they aren't employees, are they? They are truly-independent contracting small businesses, or some such tripe.
You'd make a superior Chinese spy, JB. Hope you get the job!
As for work from home (WFH), I'm still confused as to why there's any issue with it as long as you submit your work on time and of an acceptable quality. How and where you completed it is completely irrelevant, surely? WFH has so many pluses: no commute, saving time and fossil fuels, not to mention the atmosphere; if you WFH you do not require costly office space or equipment; add in the work-life balance and flexibility for the employee, and literally everyone wins! The employer, the employee, and the environment all end up well in the black.
So, where does the obsession with getting people back into offices come from? My theory is three-fold:
1. managers fear there will be demand for fewer managers, so want people working in the office to protect their jobs;
2. extroverts prefer to be around people and can't deal with the isolation of their home offices;
3. office politics bullies crave their fix of making everyone miserable, but they can only really do it face-to-face in the office without leaving an electronic trail HR departments can feast on.
As someone who was fucked over many a time by office politics bullies, shysters, credit-stealers and other varieties of ghoul, I now refuse to take anything other than a WFH job. So there, ghouls!
Based on the apparent character of the sorts of people making back-to-the-office demands, I'd say that there's a significant chunk of (1) in it. Pair that with management who don't actually know what productivity in their field looks like, but reckon that they can spot effort if they see it.
There's probably also a chunk of concern about down-town office property and lunch-food dining establishment values.
The only practical benefit that I've seen is the socialization aspect: it seems to be more difficult to get a team to gel at the start of a project without a bunch of in-the-same-room time, and maintenance of company culture (whatever that is) seems harder. So I have some sympathy for "at least spend some days/week in a hot-desk, please" policies, or project-start off-site workshops or whatever. I did notice that over the Covid shutdowns we lost a few new hires who just never felt that they belonged, which was a shame. These observations almost certainly vary with the nature of the work.
Oh won't somebody think of the cafes!!
Is there any reason (besides plumbing expenses) that at least a few of the floors of office blocks can't be converted to residential units? Would help with costs and keep the cafes etc in customers.
I quite like the idea of having a CBD holiday pad to occasionally indulge in decadent inner city entertainment. Of course I might have to take up a job as a greedy proofreader in order to have the millions to afford one.
Not 100% sure, but those expensive downtown office buildings have to keep paying rent, as well as expect managers to use technology well to do their job.
The can't micromanage: policing time away from your desk for toilet breaks, coffee breaks, and lunch.
This will deprive them of work satisfaction bcos they're narcissistic psychopaths, & will be reduced to getting their jollies by other sadistic means, like pulling the wings off flies, & abusing the staff at the cafe downstairs. Their coffee is too hot/cold, pannini hasn't got enough pastrami, where's the mayo!?
They also climb the corporate ladder by 0trampling on minions, & licking the anuses of senior management. More jollies to be deprived of! A supervisor no more, since all the fun has been taken away.
They will be bored, trapped at a computer most of the time, & their bored bosses will police their toilet breaks etc.
Oh, & the company woll lose the $$ in rent from that cafe downstairs when it goes tits up!
* te: keep paying rent:
Commercial leases are 5x5x5 or something
I quite like spending time in the office with the people in my team. However, the problem with open plan offices is that I am also subjected to the free-range nonsense of people in *other* teams. There are a lot of loud / constant / both talkers out there
"I assume it has to be the Chinese because nobody else can afford the asking price of your average former Australian politician" I think you overestimate the current market value for Australian politicians.
A slab of Tooheys and a half price ticket to Hooters for a former Deputy PM?
Some Ukulele lessons?
Hang about. Didn't you once work for one of them agencies what wear Drizabones instead of trenchcoats and have acronyms and stuff?
Quiet, you.
Wait til Innes finds out some bank workers are wfh 5 days a week because the banks got rid of their office space the second the pandemic hit
I wonder how Mr Wilcox' $/yr/day productivity number works? My productivity *accelerates* when I work from home?
So few people even do dimension analysis these days, to check their statements, let alone back-of-the envelope checks.
Sorry. I laughed my nuts off at this.
Mr Ping and Mr Willcox are definitely cut with the same cloth. Both have a vast spy network of frightened proles.
I just want to know who the spy is.
I’m just waiting for Serkan Ozturk to out them.
Just update your LinkedIn profile and brag about your security clearances you’ll be a shoe in. 🤣
Ok, take my money
We've been having fun guessing who the spy is. So funny to see the lefties blaming the right and vice versa. Dutton knows I reckon because he wants them outed publicly. I tried AI. It knows but it won't say.
Possibly, but another reason for Dutton to be so vocal about wanting to out the perp is that it’s one of his own. So he creates some distance. Although the Labor Party guys have been very reluctant to even contemplate releasing it, so you’re probably right. I have some theories. Unfortunately, defamation laws prevent me from doing anything with them.
JB is not Jason? James Bond perhaps.
I confess some bafflement at the fate of the unnamed former MP. In a robust security environment, one might reasonably expect the miscreant to be discreetly disappeared, with a footnote in Hansard to advise the House of Reps of their sudden memory-holing.
Isn't this individual going to face any consequences besides being assessed as 'not being stupid enough to do it again'?
I understand that what this alleged traitor is intimated to have done has only recently become a crime, and his or her actions were not illegal at the time and therefore not actionable now. So, nothing to see here. Justice is served by innuendo. No doubt the name of the non-criminal will be disclosed in such a way that no one can be sued.
That's some loophole. Thanks!
If the spy is a woman, foreign looking, homosexual or any of the above no one will ever be told.
Anus Bollox.